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Skip forward 100 years..
English still the predominant language but....
An island without identity. ...
Currency undecided. ..
Multicultural aspirations. ...
coastal erosion questions future prospects. ..
LUFC Champions league finalists.
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Wildwood
well, the last bit makes up for all the earlier bits...
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Whiteglos
unlike you pistol  ....other people have other views ...and il vote UKIP and i want out of europe ....ok !! thats my view and i stand by it ... im not wanting to argue about it !!!! but i want out ....a.s.a.p 




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Tony Montana
Everyone has their political views and by America dropping the Big Bomb you in the west have free reign to voice it. If one party be it left,right,extreme does it for one person then that is the democratic thing we have.

Everyone could be called extremist/far right in any subject but in every other facet of their life they are comfortable with their society.

An example. My eldest brother who I love dearly is gay. Always has been,he wasn't corrupted or changed from normal or anything. He was born attracted to men,simple as. I have socialised and met loads of his friends when I was in my late teens/early twenties. We had some great nights. They knew I was straight and that I wasn't homophobic in any way. We got on fine.

But,and there's always a but,We have a referendum on gay marriages in Ireland later this year. We the people of Ireland get to vote as we kicked you cnuts out and are a free,free at last Independant nation. (Soz but it's the republican family values that make me crack that every time,yis are all lovely).... (But your ancestors and maybe Grand Dads were cnuts). Anyway my point,I was more than happy for gay people to get hitched and be happy. But then something changed. The gay community got radical over here and have set up a global group called LGBTI

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
International.

Fair enough go for it I said.

Then in the last fkn 8 months every radio programme is gay right this gay rights that. It is fkn everywhere. A programme I listen to every Saturday is a good example. Its called "Global Village" and It's a programme dedicated to all the 199 new nationalities living in Ireland, Great show. Loads of different cultures with an outlet for their fears culture music etc. The host is a nice person I'm sure but as she is gay, the last year has gay topics every week. This is a three topic show and I'm sure one third of the listener ship are not in the gay community.I actually texted the show saying the same thing(first time in my life to do so) and she brushed my concerns off as "They were topical topics".This is damaging their campaign IMO as it's on every fkn talk show. If I hear LGBTI again I'll fkn string one. I'm sure BAC or Bats etc will confirm this. Every talk show has a LGBTI segment. Every news bulliten has the same.

They have gotten a no vote because of the flood. Does that make me homophobic?

I think not. Same with all discussions. People have diverse and horrible views to your thinking. It doesn't mean they are bad people and, on this site,on my watch,they will be allowed voice that.

WITHIN REASON.

Should have saved my dwarfen fingers and just typed,debate don't fight.








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Tony Montana
thebagpuss wrote:
Good post Might Oak - you seem far too intelligent for this site!!


So the rest of us are dopes? Your better looking and have a better personality than your brother but don't get too cocky .i have it on record that you use Botox. Care to reply?

Us unintelligent cnuts await.



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Tony Montana wrote:
If I hear LGBTI again I'll fkn string one.

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Whiteglos
america only had the bomb cos of the nazis !!!! [30c3tqr]they only landed on the moon cos of the nazis [seomj4][chair-to-the-head][wtf-question-mark-sign-smiley-emoticon][freaked-out-smiley-emoticon][dope-slap]true though !!!
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Whiteglos
any way ....lets all love each other [32zoqas][a0l8p3]
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feck me whitey you lack opinions lad [de8vte]


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Thackleywhite
Article in the guardian today say's it's all boll-ox anyway. So i retract my original statement.
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Pistol White
unlike you pistol  ....other people have other views ...and il vote UKIP and i want out of europe ....ok !! thats my view and i stand by it ... im not wanting to argue about it !!!! but i want out ....a.s.a.p 


I understand if you want to vote UKIP Whiteglos, its a free country, however I have no idea what leaving the EU has to do with killing muslims, you seem to be arguing that anyone not of the same mind as you are deluded lefties that should smell the beheadings (or it was something along those lines), again I have no idea what that has to do with leaving the EU.  The more votes for UKIP the less votes for the Tories, = a bigger Labour majority, so happy days for me if you vote UKIP.
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Thackleywhite
If we get labour in again they'll make an even bigger mess of things than last time!  I'll never vote labour again until they get rid of the middle class Mp's like harriet harmon and her disgusting ilk....career politicians who couldn't give a t-oss about anybody but themselves.

Labour need to get back to basics, the tories if they are booted out will only get voted back in again after another 5 years of labour fu-ck ups!

We have two political parties that offer nothing but continued misery and ineffective policies that are hugely damaging to the UK.

I have unfortunately just had to drive through Harehills....i didn't see too many folk 'contributing' to the UK as i drove through....burka clad women with hoardes of kids and groups of young men (east european) just meandering around...i know what i see and i see plenty of it. My other half works in a school down there..hardly any of the kids speak english and even less parents.......huge enclaves like this all over northern england the midlands and london..................all contributing according to some. (course they are).
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Pistol White
Regardless of who wins the next election I'd say there are a few pretty Xenophobic views on this thread.  We should be happy people regard the UK as a place they'd like to live now, we've suffered from the opposite problem in previous decades.

"burka clad women with hoardes of kids and groups of young men (east european) just meandering around...i know what i see and i see plenty of it. My other half works in a school down there..hardly any of the kids speak english and even less parents.......huge enclaves like this all over northern england the midlands and london..................all contributing according to some. (course they are)."

Have you ever though of joining the National Front Thackers. I think you'd find some like minded people to speak to.
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Wildwood
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"burka clad women with hoardes of kids and groups of young men (east european) just meandering around...


just out of curiosity, pw, what do you think when you see such people?

personally, i'm quite open to immigration and all that, but i am concerned by things like burkas and second and third generation immigrants taking backward steps.
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Thackleywhite
PW there are plenty of like minded people who share my view without me needing to join the NF!  Labour lost the last election on immigration with Browns rant against that women with an opinion on immigration doing for them big style (thank fu-ck)

Obviously PW you see such people as contributing and i don't.....and i'm not the only one and i'm not in the NF, BNP or UKIP (and never will be).

I don't see immigration as bad Far from it. What i do consider bad is mass uncontrolled immigration and the immigration of people who contribute nothing to our society. But if you feel that's 'good' then that's your shout. And if you consider me a racist then that doesn't really bother me one bit...i might consider you a liberal/lefty soft in the head lentil muncher with an annual subscription to  'Jesus boots' weekly...but i don't....well not lentils anyway.

also why should we be 'happy' that 'people' want to live here (just how many people do you propose?).....happy that whole communities have been changed beyond recognition? happy at the palpable racist tensions when visiting such areas.....No thanks i'm not 'happy'.

  I don't recall ever being asked by a political party if i was pro- mas uncontrolled immigration .  The public get no say in these matters by labour or tories.   The taboo subject that even politicians sh-it their pan=ts when talking about.
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thebagpuss
Tony Montana wrote:
thebagpuss wrote:
Good post Might Oak - you seem far too intelligent for this site!!
So the rest of us are dopes? Your better looking and have a better personality than your brother but don't get too cocky .i have it on record that you use Botox. Care to reply? Us unintelligent cnuts await.
The rest of you are dopes?  your words TM, not mine!!!
Would be a compliment better looking and a better personality than Rich, but let's be honest, that's hardly an achievement...if I wasn;t, I'd be dead!!
Shhhh with the Botox - our secret...
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Dessip
A few points...


Actually Labour didn't lose because of immigration. Immigrants actually now represent the Labour core vote and it is no longer the honest blue collar worker. If it wasn't for immigration Labour would have lost the last election by a much greater majority.

I think the Clegg / Farage TV debates will be interesting and probably hit Labour more than the conservatives who have already felt the impact of UKIP....lets hope eh?

Incidentally I am also concerned about immigration and I say that as the son of an Asian migrant. I am certainly not racist but I could never vote UKIP as I firmly believe political parties should have more than one or two policies

13 years of Labour totally transformed this country in so many ways and most of them negative. Immigration, an ever expanding welfare state and an increase in the public sector will mean Labour majorities for ever more...

Also I see little relation to the Tories and the coalition government we have at present that was dealt a pretty sh1tty hand...

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Thackleywhite
That was the whole idea Des. Labour to gain that 'core vote' via changing the demographics of the country. I still think they lost it at the time based on their disastrous policies and one of those was immigration....many voted against them for the mass uncontrolled immigration they encouraged.  They'll not get my vote back until they get some common sense back..and i don't see that anytime soon.

I'm not really ar-sed who gets in power at the next election as it won't make a shred of difference to anything.
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Pistol White
TW- Its one thing stating you think uncontrolled immigration is a "problem" and having a sensible debate on the subject however I don't think you want to have a debate on that, you talk of other cultures in the UK and clearly have little or no tolerance for any culture that differs from your own, to me that is Xenophobia.  You talk about eastern Europeans "meandering along" implying they don't contribute, HTF do you know what these people do?  You assume they do nothing because they were loitering around Harehills, they may work a low paid cleaning job like a lot of them do, they may do something else, one thing is for sure you start from the assumption these guys are adding nothing because it satisfies your pre conceived ideology about how the UK is.  Talking about a women walking along in a Burka with loads of kids, again what harm was that doing you?  What was so offensive to you about that?  There is a debate to be had about the suitability of the Burka in certain public settings ie- teaching, healthcare, borders, etc... but these debates need to be had by people who understand them and in conjunction of what is best for society as a whole not just for the benefit of people who judge anyone that wears one.  You get 90% of your info from the Daily Mail so I can understand why your views are as they are.

WW- That is a fair question.  Your comments regarding the Burka are fair debate, as I said above I don't agree that it should be worn in certain public arenas, I wouldn't want my kids to be taught at school by someone wearing a Burka because I think a teacher would struggle to communicate effectively wearing a Burka.  However I also don't think we as non muslims should be dictating to muslims about what clothing they should wear.  There is already a debate underway in the muslim community about the Burka.  When I see "such people" I honestly couldn't give a monkeys what they are wearing go be honest.

Dessip - Whether you like or not society is different to it was in the 1960's, 70's and 80's, the electorate is what it is, if the tories have lost their appeal that is not Labours fault, perhaps the tories should try and modernise their party.  Actually Cameron tried to do that but has now reverted to standard tory type.  Its not just migrants that favour labour (its not exclusive that they all vote labour)its most minorities eg- Gay community, Women (even though they aren't a minority still worth mentioning).  The tories appeal to the same people they appealed to 30 years ago, there is just less of that type of people as a % of the total electorate.  The tories have failed to adapt, they have a similar problem to the Republicans in the US.  I will leave the other stuff re- politics as we've been there many times with neither of us backing down.
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Dessip
It's sad you feel that way Tackers but I can understand it. Following the Major government politics in this country has been transformed and without doubt it is probably now at its worst ie sofa style decision making, lack of accountability, career politicians, short term vote gathering etc - all fuelled by 24 hour news channels

The reason I lean towards the right is for no other reason than because the only person I trust to spend my earnings in line with my core beliefs is me. In other words I don't want to work, have the government take all my money and then pay me back my cost of living expenses. For that simple reason I have tended to vote Tory. It's not that I don't have a social conscious because I do - I just resent having to pay so much for it

I know I'm in the minority on this board but as you can probably guess I'm not to worried about that...

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Dessip
PW - I agree fully regarding the Tories.... .

That said I actually don't believe Labour have adapted at all. In actual fact they just did everything possible to change the shape and make up of the electorate to make it conform to their own ideals and for them to then exploit for their own political gain. Whilst that was great for the Labour party it could not be said to reflect the wishes of the wider UK population. Mandelson recently admitted that they were sending out search parties looking for migrants..


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Pistol White
Des- How do you explain one of the biggest landslide wins in British Political history in 1997?  Before they had a chance of making any changes.  They abolished Clause 4, they no longer wish to Nationalise every utility/Public service in the country, "third way" approach adopted by Blair, Mandleson etc..., they recently put through change to try and reduce Trade Union influence on the party.  Are these not examples of adapting.  Labour were unelectable in the mid 1980's, the formulation of the SDP split the left vote and Labour were an embarrassment.  Labour made changes to modernise the party and take back the centre ground and succeeded with a huge landslide in 1997.  The tories had the same problem when they had Hague, IDS and Michael Howard as Leader and they still haven't changed properly.  The only reason they won the most seats at the last election is due to a combination of the financial crash, Gordon Brown, and Cameron changing the rhetoric to soft mor3e centralist tory values.  Even with those conditions they still couldn't achieve a majority, it should have been a tap in.
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Wildwood
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However I also don't think we as non muslims should be dictating to muslims about what clothing they should wear.  There is already a debate underway in the muslim community about the Burka.  When I see "such people" I honestly couldn't give a monkeys what they are wearing go be honest.


the thing is, i'm not sure it's only clothing (and long beards, etc.); i think the clothing also indicates a certain sympathy for different values. and that doesn't just apply to muslims, i have the same feelings when it comes to other (fairly recent western) religions.
perhaps it's a naive or romantic notion, but i kind of expect every year, decade or generation to result in greater integration...where religion becomes more of a private thing, western values become the norm, and where communities aren't fairly strictly divided. i sometimes think excessive freedom is leading to regression...

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Dessip
Labour did change but the landslide was perhaps more to do with people just being fed up with a succession of Tory governments. Also the support of the Murdoch press was a huge boon for a party that relied heavily on style over substance

As you say the last election should have been a tap-in and the fact it wasn't was more to do with the electoral make-up than it was the Tory party that had moved more to the centre

Interesting Labour have gone more left and will most likely win the next election. Why? Because the voting population and election boundaries are now heavily weighted in favour of immigrants, benefit claimants and people employed by the state

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Pistol White
Regarding the boundaries, boundary changes happen with almost every change in Govt.  Tories were trying to force through boundary changes of their own, however due to their inability to function properly with their coalition partners, it was dropped.

Re- the "ethnic" vote are you arguing they shouldn't be allowed to vote?  Not sure what your point is regarding this.  If the tories don't appeal to the electorate then that is their problem is it not?

Regarding being employed by the state, I read a stat a few weeks ago that stated by 2018 (might have been 2020), the "state" as a % of the total economy will be as small as its been since the War, so that doesn't really at all stack up to what you are saying.

Why don't you just admit that traditional tory values are not consistent with big parliamentary majorities anymore.

BTW I am not saying that the Tories defo wont win the next election, it's all to play for, IMHO Ed Milliband isn't doing a great job as Labour leader, Labour should be further ahead in the polls if they'd shown more conviction.  If it turns into a presidential style election then Cameron (who I cant stand) consistently scores higher than Milliband, if the tories ever go back to a "regressive" tory (IDS, Theresa May, Gove, Grayling) as leader then IMO they will disappear back into oblivion, they need to modernise the party IMO.  The reason that Cameron has so many problems with his back benchers re- progressive policy such as Europe and Gay rights is because most of his back benchers cant stand progressive policies.  The only reason we have a referendum on Europe if the tories win the election is because of right wing tory back benchers (not national good as is claimed).
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Thackleywhite
i don't get 90% of my views from the daily mail pistol...not at all. I actually read the guardian website on a daily basis (not the DM).  I think we are just going to have to agree on differing view points. I'm neither xenophobic or racist.  A lot of what i talk about is the opinion shared by colleagues  of asian ethnicity. As i said earlier i'm not opposed to immigration. I am opposed to mass uncontrolled immigration and open borders europe.....i see no good from any of it.
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Pistol

'Force through' or implement in line with both their electoral manifesto and following agreement with their coalition partner? If anything this reinforces the challenges of a coalition government and to therefore shout blame the Tories at every given opportunity is a fairly undignified position from which to debate. That's not a comment aimed at you (I actually really enjoy our discussions) but at people who tend not to follow politics quite so acutely

On the issue of ethnicity. Of course they should have a vote that was not my point at all and if you read back you will see I have never even intimated as such. Both Thackers and I have stated quite clearly that the electorate has been deliberately 'shaped' simply to help suit the almost unchanged Labour ideals.

Regarding the public sector and your stat. Actually it reinforces my point. Why did you take a figure from 2018-20? What you are acknowledging is that the direction of travel is down as both an actual number / value and also interestingly enough as a % of the total working population. Bizarrely enough the number of public sector employees rose through to 2006 and then spiked when Lloyds and RbS fell into public ownership. However since 2010 (following the coalition) the numbers have fallen steadily and will continue to do so reflecting your point about the lowest numbers since the war. And guess what???the sky hasn't fallen in!

So in summary we are paying less money to cover fewer people employed by the state, yet unemployment is still coming down due to growth in the private sector whilst at the same time our NHS, police, schools, welfare system etc continues to function? What's not to like about that? and if so why did Labour ramp the numbers up and continue to run a budget deficit?

Agree regarding Milliband. He is an awful leader who has taken his party even further left. Yet he'll still have a majority because of boundaries and the support of his core vote - immigrants, welfare and public sector employees. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas. Actually the other missing ingredient is postal voting which is another area that has been cynically exploited by a party concerned more with having power than delivering prosperity and doing long term good for this country...

In summary I will admit and openly agree that the Tories will never win big majorities unless they pander to benefit claimants, immigrants and public sector employees or that there are significant changes made to the electoral boundaries.

How sad an indictment that is of our country and politics today...

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Pistol White
A quick one about the part about smallest state since the from 2018-20, you are missing my point here.  I'm making the point that the rhetoric of the Govt is not actually borne out in reality.  Ie- The state wasn't as huge as it was argued to be by Osborne and Cameron.  I have also posted on previous threads about the welfare bill not being that big in terms of % of GDP when compared to other nations, the vast majority of our SS bill is actually on post retirement benefits, mainly state pensions, most pensioners actually vote tory, so you could say most benefit claimants are tory voters.[2d7fpg3]
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Dessip
However you choose to categorise them I'm actually ashamed that as a country we don't do more for pensioners. Decades of financial mismanagement by labour have seen to that. Any civilised society would allow them to live the rest of their lives with dignity.

The discussion point was actually on public sector employment in relation to people who can vote - not total spend. The fact the Coalition have somewhat effortlessly trimmed the number of public sector employees by 8-10% so far and with no obvious loss in quality and service shows the rhetoric was correct. There was simply too much 'fat' in the system...

Still Labour will inherit a better set of books than they left in 2010 and will no doubt squander it all once again. As a beautiful woman once said - ' the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money'....God bless her..

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Mighty Oak
BB why dont you go visit these people that apparrantly didnt measure up for the jobs on offer and ask them why they didnt see it through and if it was anything to do with your firm, the job, not enough pay, interaction with benefits.

There must be a reaon other than the assumption that all young brits are lazy and all Polish are uber workers.

We know this isnt true so we need to find the context, what are the drivers that make an English person take a job and then walk away from it. Talk is better than assumptions that are often wrong.

I admit that you do seem to have had a difficult recruitment process but are you sure that it is all down to the applicants?
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BB
MO

Some only turned up for the interview and did not then turn up for their first day of work.

Without wanting to overly generalise, our first round of interview was taken from applicants from our local job centre. Many long term unemployed. That was not successful.

We then used an employment agency and had our choice of very skilled workers. I am pleased to say all positions were filled and all new employees are still with the company.

I do not think we will ever try to recruit from the local job centre as it seems, rightly or wrongly, that too many people there know how to play the system and are not seeking employment in reality.

My comment on Polish workers was somewhat tongue in cheek playing devil's advocate to many posts written suggesting Eastern European immigration is bad for the UK, which is as big a generalisation.

 
Finally, yes I am sure our initial disappointment was down to the applicants.


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Thackleywhite
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575759/Revealed-Islamist-plot-dubbed-Trojan-Horse-string-schools-Birmingham-self-styled-Jihad.html

Just been on BBC news about this little beauty. 

Can't find any mention of it the gaurdian just yet.....
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